First, the ground rules:
This is, by nature, a kind of depressing conversation. The point isn't to bring everyone down, though, it's to attempt to talk about something that just seems to be accepted as "what's right". So let's talk as objectively and logically as possible instead of just throwing around "pick-me-ups". I'll also touch on Religion, but if you couldn't tell by now that I'm not the type of guy to knock someone on matters of faith (unless, you know, it's a part of faith that hurts others), you haven't paid attention. Also, let's take issue of suicide off the table for this discussion.
_Life Everlasting
The common thought is we should live long healthy lives. We make large strides, as a society, to live as long as is humanly possible. But why? Why do we need to live forever. Why is it that dying at 30 is tragic but dying at 90 is a sort of victory? What's so magical about those extra 60 years.
The Atheist side is we all play out our movie. Eventually we'll fade to black and the credits roll. So why does it matter if the movie was only an hour and a half long vs three hours? If it was a good movie, amazing, but it's still over. If it was longer, maybe it would have ruined it. If the movie was awful, then perhaps you were lucky it was so short. It's over with and you don't have to think about it anymore.
The Theist side is your quality of life determines your quality of death. If you die and go to [your religion's version of] heaven, you're in a paradise you couldn't hope to achieve on Earth. It's your reward for doing the right thing (or what your god(s) feel is the right thing). So if you get that reward earlier than the average person, it's like hitting the lottery. It's like being able to cash out and retire early. If you go to [your religion's version of] Hell, then it's not such a great thing--but you were going to end up there anyway and will be too busy to bother reflecting back on what those extra few decades would have got you. If your religion recycles (i.e. reincarnation), well life means more now but you get a fresh start on it, which is a plus.
Again, by no means am I advocating suicide. But if something happened to us a week from now vs 50 years from now, why is that so horrible? That's 50 more years of being abandoned, working just to be in debt, and struggling to get by. I'll grant it's also 50 years less of maybe finding someone, getting OUT of debt, and actually getting by--but life ebbs and flows. For every great thing that could happen, there's an equal or greater amount of horrible things that could happen.
So why do we try so hard to live so long? Is it out of curiosity? Is it for other people? Or is it out of a simple fear of being dead? ...Something more instinctual than romantic.
Devious Comments
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I am SOOOO kidding!. Being of the Christian faith (but not necessarily action), it's really nice to see the "same ol fight" brought up in a fair and even way. All three of your queries are the correct answer in conjunction with more personal reasons I'm sure. We live life as long as possible in order to test our potential. There are things that we all want to do and a long life makes time for those things (weather viewed as good or bad), we as people strive to live life long and by our own definition of "well" in order to prevent ache to those that we care for. Fear and curiosity are also reasons we live long (try to), theistic or not, simply don't know what the results of death are, and the fact that it is an existing unknown automatically breeds questions and emotions. What ever they may be is up to that individuals value/ belief set but I doubt that that their are no feelings (strong or not) about it. As for value of length, it seems more of a case by case basis. It is seen as tragic for a happy 30yr old person to die due to the potential of more happiness. It is seen as tragic for an unhappy 30yr old person to die due to the potential of possible happiness. Yet it is seen as OK for a 30yr old to die who has been suffering since the age of 12 (cancer or what have you) unless some sort of promise of less suffering has been made. (In most theistic religion that promise is postmortem anyway) Again, most of the viewpoint is subjective to the individuals opinion on the possible potential of the deceased's life yet lived. Inversely, living to the extent of age where society has prepared for you to die and physicality has rendered quality of life to a lower standard is viewed as a success because a) you have made the "average" b) slowing down is likened to time for reflection and c)"ample" time has been achieved to complete any goal one has set for themselves (you aren't being "cheated" out of time). As for heaven or hell, bad Christian that I am, I don't believe that up or down is a predetermined thing, like a plane ticket, it is a reward/ punishment for the quality of life lived, no matter when that life ends (skirting around suicide all together here), now "good/ bad" by what standards is the problem, but the point here isn't a right/ wrong fight. Only you (can prevent forrest fires) or an ill timed industrial accident can decide when life is complete .. or something like that. I had more but "Goth no typee much on blogg like thingies"
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From a purely practical standpoint, I average about one trip per year. Sometimes it's just within Florida. Sometimes I go on a crazy 9-day driving tour of several states. Time and finances determine the extent of my travels, and lately the condition of my spine has become a factor. Whatever happens, I'll continue my tradition of exploring. I try not to think about how much I want to see vs. how much time I may have left. There's never going to be enough.
Your next question would be "Why travel?" I say why not. Even if we do only live 30 years, isn't it more interesting to get out and do things?
To me life is a massive accumulation of experiences and learning curves. I do believe there is a life after death, i find it hard to believe,however that it is tied specifically to time though. Time is rather material, plus theoretically speaking since everything is happening at once time really doesn't exist per say except in the mind.
Having explained my thoughts on the subject, in general i am of the opinion that you cant be "taken away" before your allotment is up. there is to many ifs, ands, buts and the like, that play out effecting other people. You cant end until you've touched everyone you were meant to.
So, in summary I guess I'm saying time isn't the factor here, rather the actions garnered.
Sorry for the ramble and strangeness. My outlook is rather different from the norm on this subject.
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jennifer.
Or are you just saying we all have this set number of things we're supposed to do with our life (though we don't know what those things are) and once we reach the end of our "bucket list", we die? Which I guess is a looser version of the "plan" version. Though I don't know how much the free will part can "jive" with the everything's planned out part.
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-Andy Hayes
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22 white roses next september,
jennifer.
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22 white roses next september,
jennifer.
I guess to put it another, more silly way, what I'm asking is if you suddenly became a vampire and never died--or at the very least lived for centuries, is that actually a BENEFIT? Sure, you'd likely be able to see every place on the globe you'd ever possibly want to see, maybe it would make you happy, but is it really so much better than doing the same effort but only getting to see a fraction of the globe? Either way, you've made the best of your time and had your joy. But when you die it's done. You won't have that reflection moment of "oh, but I never got to see Russia!". The percentage of time of you being alive and having your joy is practically the same. And maybe if you live forever you'll just get...I don't know...bored of the thing you loved so much.
If you can leave on a high note you've made it...but is there's more value in how long you've held that note?
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-Andy Hayes
....Also, check out I Am Nerd.
We try to live as long as possible because of the simple fact we have ONE life; this one. This is your life as Andy, no one else's. When it is done, it is done, no coming back to it. It is a gift. So remember to enjoy it, because it is the only one you get, no matter what religion you are or how you view the afterlife or lack thereof. The fact still remains that life is something special and unique, exclusive to what you have right now. There won't be another one, even in afterlife, because that is a different existence all together (if you believe that sort of thing, of course.)
Just remember to live life! Experience the world, make the most of the greatest gift you will ever have. You won't regret it, no matter how long or short your life is
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